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[BarleySinger]: How any pilot could have (by the official version) have hit only the first floor (around 10 feet max) in somthing 16 feet high, filled with jet fuel, at perfectly level flight, going at 350 mph merely 6 feet above ground is past impossible. And where was the fire? Jet fuel takes hours to put out. Airport fire crews had to have special foams developed to be able to stop jet fuel fires. Half the building should have been gone, but there was no huge ongoing fire either. Something stinks, and it bugs me that with the US government the way it is, nobody will every have a clue what happened even if it WAS just terrorists. They lie as soon as breath.
[~*Tinkerbell*~]: guys how do u join this wiki cuz my bros and iink of ways to kill and totally torture bush
[Dil*]: umm..okay, i could add your name to the members list..but you have to put the bush haters banner and link in your house.
[Lordterrex]: ... man.. no more vacations for me....
[VorpalBlade910]: lol throwin ya off alex?
[estelle]: i would love to murder bush very painful
[Dil*]: 
egotistical bastards, join now!
[BarleySinger]: Then again they also lied about the whole Milosavitch/ge
[Lordterrex]: yea... the u.s. is full of hipocrits... wait... are u saying that just because u.s. soldiers buy hookers?.... how is that hypocritical..
[VorpalBlade910]: .....
[kduncan]: Lord Terrex, he's not talking about hookers. He's talking about women who have been kidnapped, or otherwise forced into the sex trade, and are held against their will to be used in the sex industry. This is actually quite common in, of all places, Israel. Anyone who participates by paying to use one of these women is supporting slavery. Yes, that includes the US servicemen who patronise these institutions.
[Lizzy Bane]: i cant even begin to describe how much hate i have for this moron! can i join!?
[Lordterrex]: .. wait... were u talking about me lizzy... i dont consider myself a moron, i see what you mean duncan, and i agree that it is not only hypocritical but evil as well, but, i also beileive that there isnt much way to stop it, and, u did say they paid correct?... there for it isnt "considered" slavery at all, although i do understand they may not have a choice, its a horrible evil thing any form of prostetution..
[De Vierde Macht]: can someone tell me (in a aPM) why thet delete the banner?
[BarleySinger]: The thing is, if he were not being used as a tool to get at the voting power of the knee jerking radical right, he would just be another spoiled, rich, pitiable buffoon; who went from a life of frat parties and draft dodging and booze and coke, to being "born again" at around the time that his alcoholism bottomed out. He basically substituted one mindless addiction for another (very common) without thinking about why he was being self destructive in the first place. But in this case the guy isn't an average Joe - he is a "Bush", handed power by his "handlers" because of his last name, and believes everything that his advisers tell him about how the world works, and what is happening.
[Lordterrex]: so, your saying we shouldnt vote for him because he used to be addicted to drugs, and partys, like lots of yougn people, but still its bad.....i would normaly agree with u, but did you know that winston church hill was addicted to alcohol and sex??.. while he was still in power to.. now, it might be a different area, but winston was a great leader... so why cant bush be a great leader?
[BarleySinger]: Yes, I was talking about actual slavery, where women are kidnapped and forced to become prostitutes - raped many times a day as slaves to their owners. These people went from being actually free, to being actually enslaved, and their most common "clients" as non-consenting sex toys, are the US servicemen who "supposedly" liberated the country and freed the people from tyranny. This is a far cry from actual prostitution. Prostitution is a sad thing to do for a living, as and many prostitutes are former sex abuse victims, doing what they do and re-abusing themselves (caught in a cycle) or are people with no other skills who are desperate for enough money to eat.
[Lordterrex]: .. it is sad..... but im confused.. how is this bushes fault.. because he hasnt done anything about it yet?
[kduncan]: LordTerrex, by your reasoning, the black slaves weren't really "slaves" because the product they produced for wealthy white land owners was legally sold and bought. A person who is being held against his or her will, and who is being forced to do something against his or her will for the financial and/or personal benefit of another is a slave. The women themselves aren't being paid, instead it is their "handlers" (for lack of a better word) who are making the money.
[Lordterrex]: mayeb i did reason it incorrectly, i do agree with u on what youve just said, but how is it bushes fault?
[kduncan]: Bush is not a great leader, he has divided the US. pitting the haves against the ahve-nots; Rebuplicans against everyone else; Christians against, well, eveyone else; whites against, well, everyone else; heterosexual against homosexual and bi-sexual. Unfortuantely, I only see the situation in the US getting worse if Bush manages to stay in office. Bush has been the worst president in US history: he claims that global warming is not real, that education benefits from standardised testing, that war = peace. Bush ralleys are carefully screened: anyone who is a member of a political party other than Republican must sign an affidavit swearing to support Bush, (continued..)
[kduncan]: anyone with signage/clothi
[Lordterrex]: lots of continueds....
[kduncan]: The traditional last few blocks walked by the newly elected President to the white house.. Bush stayed in his limo, with the windows rolled up.. and sped past the crowds. The airspace (30 miles worth!!!) around his ralleys is closed to air traffic. 30 miles out from the ralley point!! This has been unheard of in the past. On 911, both Bush and Cheney simply.. disappeared. Rishard Clarke stayed in the white house calling the shots that day. Bush.. a leader? That's laughable.
[kduncan]: LordTerrex: "..lots of continueds". There wouldn't be if I was given the space to write my full comment without having to do so.
[Lordterrex]: so, in this day and age, the only way to lead is in the white house??... i doubt they werent leading at all, you can imagiine that his safety is an important issue, not only to him, but to the rest of the government, me included, obviously isnt the top of my list, but if he died, cheney would be the next leader, how has bush divided the u.s.... simply because most poor people are republican, and african americans tend to be republican, how is that bushes doing?... i go to a majority black school, its mixed pretty well, its one of the most ethnicaly diverse schols in the u.s., i havent seen any amount of division.... are u sure that the division isnt made up?
[BarleySinger]: Meanwhile...th
Make sure you change the old one and replace it with this. Thanks to [BarleySinger] for making it.[Lordterrex]: barley, i read that, and it is horrible.. but how is it bushes fault?
[alkabong8888]: HEY!!!!!!! WELL IF YOU HATE BUSH LIKE I DO THEN START A PROTEST!!!!!!!
[Lordterrex]: ..... wow.. that was a bit random...... soo.. just out of curioustiy ... how do u plan on protesting?
[alkabong8888]: HEY!!!!!!! WELL IF YOU HATE BUSH LIKE I DO THEN START A PROTEST!!!!!!!
[Christie Shadow]: Get a life, mate. Are you going to arrange it or something?? And is it a real protest, or are you just.... protesting in common?
[VorpalBlade910]: i think someone's just a little too mad
[Pale-Suzie]: it would be cool enough if he could chill down on the caps lock... o_O
[Lordterrex]: ... 5 what??.. members?
[Lord Kügenheim]: yeah, 4 now
[Lordterrex]: o kool..... sweet deal...
[BarleySinger]: How is Bush to blame? I don't think I said he was, but he does nothing about this because he is a clueless idiot. All his decisions are based on what a couple of people tell him about what is happening, and how the world works, and he has responsibiliti
[Pale-Suzie]: yay, we are soon 200 members...! but we should be more!! there has to be more bush haters out there... ^_^
[simply sweety]: hello all i hate bush too...can i join this wiki??
[Panda-monium]: prolly
[Lordterrex]: everyone who hates bush is aloud to join......
[Lordterrex]: barley.... this is one thing i dont get about the people here, most of u say that america needs to get out of everyones buisness, and tend to themselves, but than when we dotn help well enough you go spoutign how were evil, it really makes very little sense. and another thing, who says american soldiers are the only ones using these poor woman, i do think its wrong, but i also think its wrong to say only america is doing it, are u saying thats its impossible for any other soldiers from any other unit to be doing this??..... were do u even have proof that they are doing it.
[simply sweety]: wow
[she's gone country]: tired of bushes shit, today in a magazine i saw an article that i saw he had his daughters right saying vote for my dad!
[Lordterrex]: .. that is pretty pathetic... bushes daughters are kind of a joke...... lol..... *falls on the groudn laughing*.. man.. have i told u bush haters how much i love u guys... ur all great... hehe
[Dil*]: umm..what side are you on? o.O
[simply sweety]: yeah
[Citrine]: so'r u, lordT...the discussion is better with you around.
[she's gone country]: lol yes his daughters are dumb and he is pathetic to think that if the wrote an article saying to vote for him that he might actually have a chance at winning
[BarleySinger]: [Lordterrex] I think you misunderstand me. There are two things here. The first is "reality as USA Inc. would like us to believe in". In this reality, Bush is the legal Representativ of a legal entity called the government of the USA which goes around bombing people to help them (?). Now just like a corporation where the board members change but the business still exists (as a separate legal entity) the things that the company has as responsibiliti
[BarleySinger]: has done in the past, is his job to clean up. It comes with the territory. Yes, Clinton bombed Bosnia (oops my pants were down again, lets help the Germans do something nasty to distract the world). It is still the legal responsibility of USA Inc. to clean up their mess, and they don't do that. You can't have it both ways. Either they went in to help people by using bombs (which doesn't work very often) or they were another goal. If the goad was a good quality of life for the people, they do -that- but don;t just kill a bunch of people and then walk away from the mess that was made. It is the fact that they never really rebuild that shows very well, that it was never the goal.
[BarleySinger]: Now we have real reality, in which the US is a bully and war is a racket, and the CIA and the military help US corporations get what they want by way of expanding US influence. For more information on that reality please read the speech by the US general at the bottom of the Wiki Stop Military Slavery. The real reasons for warfare are almost always about money. The reasons given are just to get people to agree. There is fear mongering and religious rhetoric and parading around wrapped up in the flag...and it is just a way of getting the population "on side". The odd thing is that people (after hundreds, probably thousands of years) of the same scam, have not caught on...
[BarleySinger]: to the fact that it is just a racket. The only time any warfare is justified is in self defense. Going around and overthrowing governments so that some sugar cartel, or Enron, or Dow (or other big business) can make a higher profit is just plain wrong. Most people CAN wrap their heard around that idea which is why the people in the inner circles of power lie. They lie to congress, and they lie to the military and they lie to their spies. Each group gets the lies that they are most likely to buy into. Soldiers and the civilian population get lies about safety and patriotism. Patriotism is easy to take advatage of as it is a brainless dogma, and most people won't kill other people ...
[BarleySinger]: if their brains are working. Soldiers need to be lied to, to get them to kill. The CIA operatives need to be lied to to get them to spy and support murderous terrorist groups. Congress needs to be lied to so that warfare can take place. The public needs to be lied to so that they never know the real reasons or the real actions. It was the same during the Spanish American War. Most governments do this sort of thing from time to time, but the US has gotten very good at this, and they are now too big for anyone else to stop them anymore. Nobody wants to believe that their "leaders" would lie to them, so that people will be killed, to make a buck. The idea is horrible, so people dismiss..
[BarleySinger]: the idea that "the enemy" is not who they have been told they are, that "the masacres" did not take place, that the real goal is about money and power, etc. People like living in a nice tidy world where they are sure that their country are the "good guys". As far as I can tell, there are no governments who are the "good guys". There are just people, usually power obcessed people who do not mind abusing that power and the more power they have to abuse, the more power they will abuse.
[Dil*]: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -sigh, i love that quote.
[Lordterrex]: ur right.... we should help bosnia, but according to u, and what ive gathered from ur argument, is that if AMERICA does help bosnia, we will just end up wanting somthign in return, like rights to use there land, true alot of the corporations have done evil evil things, and maybe theyve lied to congress so that they could get an army sent in, but personly... that isnt bad, its evil.... and its wrong, but i dont disagree with it, thats how america was built, ur right, we are to big and strong to be stopped,
[Lordterrex]: the fact that america has helped so many always seems to be ignored by people, is it wrogn to want somthign in return for helping people?? the fact that i disagree with feeding starving people isnt important, the fact that we do it is, do u relize that america makes enough food to feed the planet??... the only reason we dont feed starvign people all over the world is this, if we feed a starving family, than they survive, and make more kids, and they are starving, than everntualy there will be so many starvign mouthes, that cant feed themselves, so if u let them die, than it isnt ur problem
[Citrine]: actually, we make enough to feed the world, but leave 30% starving because the grains & such are used to ffed pigs/cows that will be used for slaughter.whoo
[Lordterrex]: yea, other than that thirty percent though.. lol.. vegetarians...
[Citrine]: *in complete seroiusness* don't get me started. you really don't want to hear it.
[Lordterrex]: ...... about america and meat??..... y dont u want me to get u started... do u find it evil that humans keep to there natural diets?
[Citrine]: lordT, u really don't want to hear me get into this. plus, this is bush haters. if you really want to hear about this (a.k.a. if your insane & want a hard debate) u can message me or sumthin.
[kduncan]: I have a bit of experience working with animals in a major US zoo, humans are not meat eaters.. at least not anymore. Take a look at your teeth, then take a look at the teeth of a raccon (a true omnivore); see a difference? We are meant to be plant eaters. Not, not cud chewers like cattle, etc.. but plant eaters none-the-less. (continued..)
[kduncan]: We need to break down the plant fibres by cooking or otherwise pre-processing some plant materials, but the bare bones fact is: We DON'T have the teeth necessary to be meat eaters. In fact, our "canines" are less useful than the canine's of many animals we consider to be fully vegetarian, like horses. (continued..)
[kduncan]: Early humans evolved as scavengers first (NOT hunter gatherers, that came much later), ie: we ate whatever we could conveniently find, steal, etc. We do not need meat in our diet in order to maintain our health. Meat is a convenient source of protein; however, it's certainly not the only.. or even the best.. source. (continued..)
[kduncan]: Many illnesses are caused, yes caused, and/or made worse by human ingestion of animal products including: kidney stones, high cholesteral, heart disease, some kinds of cancer, and possibly alzheimers. And for the guys, yes! you will find out what childbirth is like when you suffer the pain of kidney stones; continue eating a high animal product diet and you will absolutely suffer kidney stones at some point in your future.
[kduncan]: So, why has meat dominated the American diet? Especially in recent years despite the obvious, documented health risks of a diet high in meat? You'd have to ask the executives at ConAgra.
[Lordterrex]: ooo... a wonderful argument, but im afraid ud have to be wrong about evolution, the teeth arent the only things that decide to ability to eat meat, why woudl we have the proper enzymes to eat meat if we were meant to???, why americans eat so much meat as of late is because we are becoming obsessed with how we look, another lil thing evolution gave us, but movgn on, weve found that the protein in meat is good, for growing muscle, muscle=attract
[kduncan]: Famous Vegetarians: Bono, Chrissie Hynde, Billy Idol, Moby, Avril Lavigne, Justin Timberlake, Hank Aaron, Gillian Anderson, Drew Barrymore, Orlando Bloom, John Cleese, Cameron Diaz, Demi Moore, Anna Paquin, Reese Witherspoon, Leonardo da Vinci, Albert Einstein, Piers Anthony, Clive Barker, Plato. Source: http://vegetar
[kduncan]: Did you know that the gladiators of ancient Rome were kept on a strict vegetarian diet? Those guys were not wimps, they were the epitome of male human specimens, they were the best. And.. they were vegetarians. Pesonally, I think vegetarians are a more highly.. evolved human. Of course, you're entitled to believe what you will, but I think history has proven me.. and will continue to prove me.. right.
[amalie]: i think people have the right to decide if they want to be vegitarians or not, whit out having to explane them selves
[Lordterrex]: impressive indeed.... diet isnt my area, i resign, ... i stick to the fact that i love meat though.. :)
[Citrine]: go right ahead lordT..... anyway, you seem to have given rise to a brand new wiki for kd & i.... Proud to be a Vegetarian
[amalie]: hehe
[Dil*]: hmm..i understand how vegetarians feel..and i repect their choice to eat only vegies and such..but i find no reason to give up meat..>.<
[amalie]: its a path that is right for some and not right for others, just as everything else in life
[Dil*]: well..i dunno, convince me.
[amalie]: im not a vegetarian... i just respect theyr right to be it, nice drawing by the way
[Dil*]: hmm, thanks :)
[amalie]: youre welcome, posting a mesage in your house diddnt seem to be an optione since you by the rules doesnt ansver posts whit bad spelling ^_^
[Dil*]: heh..
[amalie]: jepp, that rule is a bitt difficult when one is from a contry where english is not the first language
[Dil*]: oh ya...they should modify it to make it that people with english as a 2nd/3rd language to have some leeway...
[amalie]: hehe, jepp
[Citrine]: assumes amalie means yep, but likes her 'jepp' & her open-mindednes
[Citrine]: once i get the wiki together, you can all have a look
[amalie]: ^_^ thank you
[Dil*]: ookay.
[amalie]: sounds interesting
[Lordterrex]: i cant wait to check it out.. not to sound.. u no.. to .. umm.....perver
[BarleySinger]: Science News ( http://www.abc
[BarleySinger]: the Austrian Archaeological Institute. "This diet, which has been mentioned in the oral history, is rather sad but it gave the gladiators a lot of strength even if it made them fat," said Grossschmidt who is a member of the University of Vienna's Institute of Histology and Embryology. ...interesting THats what I want to do, eat huge amounts of food so that I can gain muscle and be fat to protect my vital organs. No thanks. I am a sick person. I have to have the protein to fight muslce wasting. I was mostly vegitarian for a while and it was bad for me. By the way, too much soy in men can cause dementia, so you need to balance your protein intake with other forms like nuts.
[kduncan]: It's true, the gladiators did need a good layer of fat to protect their vital organs in the arena. Though muscle was needed for strength, in the event of a good blow by an opponent, it was the fat that actually protected them (hopefully) from death.. not the muscle mass. Soy isn't the only way to get the protein needed in a vegetarian diet, though it is a good source. Nuts are good, and also are other types of beans. Of course, lacto-ovo vegetarians (like me) also have the advantage of being able to eat dairy products and eggs.
[kduncan]: By the way, we can move this dicussion to the veggie wiki to help keep this forum on topic. http://elftown
[Citrine]: alrighty, then..... proud to be a vegetarian is up....still under construction, but getting there.... go see!
[KimoN]: add me in
[simply sweety]: goodness everyone is so oppionated in here
[Lordterrex]: .. its a wiki all about hating a political leader my dear... we are all very opininated people -_-
[Dil*]: yep..i have to agree.
[BarleySinger]: Opinionated? Me? Never! I have NO opinions about anything and I NEVER present my ideas to other people. I'm not even here typing this right now. - - - now that the sarcasm is done, its just that some highly opinionated messages are more on topic than others are. Besides I really don't hate Pres Bush. I pity those who are harmed by his insanity, and I sort of pity the fact that he will never know what it means to live in reality, and really love and be loved. That would suck. On the other hand I totally despise what he represents; both in its advertised form and in reality.
[kduncan]: I agree, BarleySinger, Bush does not live in reality.. and never has. He was born to wealth and hasn't accomplished a damned thing on his own, having relied on Daddy Bush and his family name to get where he has been and where he is today. Bush, if he had been born to the circumstances most of us were born to, would likely be serving a life sentence under the "Three Strikes, Yer Out" policy.
[amalie]: or be in a mental hospital
[simply sweety]: yes i know i am too but people get upset for what other believe and that i do believe is wrong
[Lordterrex]: it is wrong.... but.... this is a place.. were we come together.. and argue... and dont hate each other for it..... i think bush is an ok guy, with decent understandable policys, i think that invading iraq was not only opriate, and right, but the only damned smart thing to do.
[Lord Kügenheim]: like you said [Lordterrex]. I dont hate bush either, i dont even know the guy... but i dont support what he is doing and thats why i made this wiki. i dont mind people who support him coming here, its always nice to know other peoples point of view which everyone is entitled to show.
[Rondel]: When Bush took on the Presidency of the US, George Bush the person (each of them, whom none of us really know, much less well enough to hate) took on a second role, as George Bush the President -- and it is the person whom Bush is, AS PRESIDENT, who has inspired this Wiki. It's not about whom the man is, at social functions -- it's about the personal stamp that George Bush has put on the office and institution of President. It is who he is *AS PRESIDENT* that has inspired so many people to such strong feelings against him. For all we know, he may be a nice individual, but it is "Bush the President" who affects OUR world, & OUR lives - & we have a right to have strong feelings about that.
[Christie Shadow]: Damn right we do, [Rondel]! And as you said - the man might be a nice guy, but that's not our problem. Our problem is that this guy affects our world - and we don't like the way he's doing it!!
[Lord Kügenheim]: *dances around a camp fire* Yay!!! just like being in the scouts!!!
[Kayne]: is it me , or is the huge tag enormesly disturbing *hinthint*
[Dil*]: lololol!
[wiccagal]: er........scar
[Peregrinus]: um... nevermind...
[Christie Shadow]: Maybe a little bit....
[De Vierde Macht]: stop the big lettrs, its just stupid... (my idea)
[De Vierde Macht]: BTW did any of u people here the new CD of Bad Religion? The title sais it all: The Empire Strikes First just bye the CD
[Goldice]: [De Vierde Macht] when you do summit stupid we'll b the first to let u no. rest assured
[De Vierde Macht]: how do u mean?
[Maurer's conclusions]: Its a good CD. "Let them eat war"
[Goldice]: well u let us no tht we wer bein stoopid so i just thort id let u no tht we'll tel u if u do summit stoopid, we have 2 return the favour
[Dil*]: just stop the huge text, it's blinding and annoying after a while.
[Goldice]: so r u c me complainin?
[De Vierde Macht]: thats what i ment: u cant read teh text properly, so it is a stupid thing to make them so huge
[Dil*]: it's not a big deal.
[Goldice]: so stop makin it one thn yeh?
[De Vierde Macht]: and indeed 'is this what they voted for' www.thebrpages
[wiccagal]: GUYS! IT'S FINE! really. no need to fight about big letters....it'
[Dil*]: agreed.
[wiccagal]: ^-^
[Dil*]: lol, you're irrepressible aren't you..
[Lord Kügenheim]: that and im just happy we have 200 members!
[Dil*]: heh..
[KimoN]: i wanna join!!
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: Me too!
[Dil*]: sure..i'll add you guys.
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: thank you.
[Goldice]: _Dilandau_do u actually have the password cos u aint mentioned on the managment?
[Christie Shadow]: We do??? Cool..... I did think that we'd be a few more than in the beginning...
[Dil*]: [Lord Kügenheim] gave me the password, i'm a recruiter.
[Lordterrex]: .. it is... gosh.. a wee bit strict ehh
[Lord Kügenheim]: Totaly, we need to advertise! and the best way is if people stumble across our members and see the banner! And after all the sodding about we had with it i think the least everyone can do is display it in their house.
[Rondel]: Congratulation
[kduncan]: The reason some people don't display banners in their houses is because some people (like me) have dial up connections. With a dial up connection houses with a slew of banners and other pics load very, very slowly, sometimes not loading at all; and on very rare occassions, bogging down my computer entirely. Sorry folks, but I don't display banners (even if it means I can't join a specific wiki), and I don't sit and wait for long-loading houses to load.
[Christie Shadow]: Well, I used to have the banner in my house - then I moved it, because it fills out a awful lot. And now I have it in again. Because Lord Kügenheim probably will kill me if he knew I didn't have it....
[Pale-Suzie]: well, i don't have banners for all the wiki i'm a member of, cause that would be to many wikis... but i do havde a couple of banners up for the wikis i support the most, my friends and my own wikis... i sorta change between the different banners from time to time... but if it helps i'll promise that the BHA banner wil stay up at all times. ^_^
[Lord Kügenheim]: now lets get one thing straight, i dont kill anyone... ill simply get [shadow xiv] to do it for me and it'll be MUCH more painful i assure you... and like you said [kduncan], i accept the fact that people have slow connections, but a link at least would do. and perhaps some "big Text" of some kind...
[Dil*]: argh, i've been debating in support bush...kinda getting outnumbered...
[Lordterrex]: lol... y are they driving u nuts.. i thought u guys were supposed to be smarter than us support bush people
[Panda-monium]: whoa, your a support bush people?
[Panda-monium]: *coughs* person...its been a long day
[Dil*]: i assure you [Lordterrex], we are, but people abusing caps is annoying.
[Lordterrex]: .. thats very true... stupid caps... hehe... just read it like if they were retarded.. lol... yea... im a support bush person.. i just chill here alot
[Dil*]: why..you've heard and seen so much incriminating evidence against bush..why do you still support him?
[Panda-monium]: good question
[Lordterrex]: because, what you call incriminating, i see as ingenius tactics to take over the world... i cant hate sumone for attempting world domination, honestly i dont think he is, but hes attacking a country, he found a country that is doing somthign evil to its own people, and he decided to attack it, who gives a bleep as to whether he gets oil out of it or not....
[Panda-monium]: omg...I refuse to dignify that with a response.
[Lordterrex]: lol.......that
[Panda-monium]: whats so cute? =_=
[Lordterrex]: the fact that u think im to ignorant to argue with....
[Panda-monium]: oh, well at least you got that...
[Lordterrex]: ... got what... ignorance?
[Panda-monium]: no, never mind. ne ways
[Dil*]: ...i've lost all faith in the human race. (wait, that happened loong ago meh..)
[Panda-monium]: I know what you mean, I actually say that regularily. I rant about it all the time.
[Dil*]: yes, i say it too often.
[Panda-monium]: its sad that your reminded of it too often, and unfortuenalty it seems to either be murderers, rapists, or bush supporters that remind me. (that is not to say they are any wheres near in the same category. dont mean that.)
[Lordterrex]: ..... am i the only one who thinks its sad to have a bunch of people who think there better and smarter than everyone else, get together and tell each other how stupid the world is......
[Panda-monium]: who me? well I dont know about "the bunch of people" But I dont think I am smarter than anyone, maybe more educated, or raised differently sure, but not smarter. I think everone is equal, but also everone is different. I also dont have any faith in myself, I dislike the human part of my brain. Its weaknesses. I just hate the whole dang human race, as a whole, not individualy.
[she's gone country]: hell yeah same here man
[Lordterrex]: i would agree...... i just dont like dilandus take on it.... so... if u hate the human race so much.. how come u get pissed when people kill each other.. there just humans.. a race that dosent matter to u.. right?
[Panda-monium]: no I dont think you understand at all. thats the same thinking that supports bush. Idiocy. What she means is, she hates the human race because they kill each other, and she is human, so she has similar weaknesses as we all do. But she has the sense to see it.
[she's gone country]: there ya go see she gets it why doesn't any one else??
[Panda-monium]: sorry, dilandau, you can defend yourself I'm sure...
[Lordterrex]: ..... because sum chose to take words for different meanings
[Dil*]: ...it depends if you're a cynical person or not...i'm just very dissapointed that we've sunk so low in our 'so called' evolution..som
[Lord Kügenheim]: I agree. Politicians today have their heads so far up each others arses looking for profits, they've forgotten what matters, the People. I can tell you now that our government has lost touch with the people. they're doing whats best for "the land" and not the people who matter.
[Christie Shadow]: Couldn't agree more. They've far too often forgotten why they were chosen - they don't think of anybody, but themself.
[Rondel]: I'd rather see people get together to discuss something important & relevant to their lives, like the actions of the politicians whose decisions affect their lives & the future of our planet, than see them a) avoid all possible topics on which they might disagree (thereby avoiding any chance that new ideas might arise out of the synthesis of thesis & antithesis), or b) argue about which "Big Brother" contestant they support, or whether "slash" is better as a form of fan fiction involving male characters in romantic scenarios, or as a form of gore-heavy horror movie. It's not about congratulating oneself on one's superiority, it's about giving thought (& voice) to things which are important.
[Peregrinus]: Amen! I cannot agree more!
[Lord Kügenheim]: exactly. The elections are growing near and as usual, my hometown is a political battleground. but you just have to stop and think... who am i voting for? and will they do what i want them to do? i mean, (most brits will agree with me on this) The Euro? who wants it!?! i certainly dont and neither do my parents but not one politician sees that. Also i think that the EU is a waste of time.
[Peregrinus]: Well, the Euro seems to have caught on in most other European countries... I've never understood what the British have against the EU, to be honest. I could probably stand to be enlightened on that topic though...
[BarleySinger]: The EU is an attempt (as far as I can tell) to be realistic about the purpose of a "nation" - which is to promote the wealth of the people who run the show (economically and politically). By creating the EU and expanding it (into those conveniently "no longer socialist" countries like Yugoslavia) they have created a large unified market for products with a single set of import/export regulations and a single currency so that they can compete with the USA. In the world where we live, money speaks much more loudly than ethics or intelligence, so if you want a voice in the world you have to have money and you have to be a "market" otherwise you are ignored.
[Peregrinus]: So... what does that have to do with why the UK doesn't want to join?
[BarleySinger]: So, by adopting a single currency, opening borders a bit more and all of that stuff, western (and now eastern) Europe becomes, not a bunch of ineffectual and ignored governments, but a single economic force that can dictate terms. You see, right now the USA consumes 95% of the worlds resources (350 million of 6 billion people)
[Peregrinus]: Um... okay... my prior question still stands...
[BarleySinger]: The UK has "the pound" which is an extremely strong currency, and would be devalued in converting to the euro. This happened in Germany when the deutchmark went away. Joining the EU would, for probably a decade, drag the UK (most especially England) into a downwa economic spiral. They would also have to accept a lot of standards for trade that are not all that friendly to the consumer, but are very friendly to unethical international trade. The UK is also a major world power already, with very close ties to the USA and a lot of oil money (we are not talking about the economy of Portugal or Spain here). The UK assets are huge by comparison to many other European nations after centuries of
[BarleySinger]: very sucessful looting of the rest of the world ("the sun never set on the Brittish Empire"). The Thatcher economy shifted around that wealth a great deal (toward the top and away from the middle class). The rich people who profited a great deal from all that "economic shifting" are not very happy about the idea of giving it all up in order to have more barganing power, when they feel that they already have enough.
[Lord Kügenheim]: Exactly, like you said barley the UK is a major power and we dont want to be ruled by some unelected person who isnt british. When i visited Aachen a few years back (just after the introduction of the Euro) a guy i spoke to was rather peeved with the Euro as it made things much harder, since they didnt know how much they were spending or getting. And also like you said, the Pound is very strong and britain is doing well and the Euro just puts a spanner in the works.
[bluefarie]: I HATE BUSH....DIE BUSH DIE!!!!
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